The first two photos are Iraqi female students in 1963-1964; the third photo is Iraqi female students in 2006!! In other words the Iraqi women before and after "liberation"…You can imagine the condition in Iraq through these photos. Iraq was the most developed and liberated country in the Middle East and among the Islam World although the Iraqis were devoted Moslems; yet they knew the real Islam not the Iranian imported Islam… I have no more comments.. Waiting yours..
The other day I was thinking we really need something like this to show the world how Iraqi women were before and now after the invasion; exactly as you did it! What you have done here is extremely needed; I know a lot of people who insists that Iraqi women were like the Saudi Arabian women, not even the right to drive your car.
ReplyDeleteMy father has just been visiting me and he was so upset about what is happening to Iraqi women. Going back more then half a century, he was so sad and so angry.
I wish my scanner worked then I too could put photos on my blog from my school trips in Baghdad, to give the outside world an idea about Iraqi women before and after the “LIBERATION”.
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ReplyDeleteput your photos; among the iraqi women before was my mother and her friends.. the all should know taht iraqi women and the whole iraqis were more ecucated and develpped before the invasion.. yet always, there were among us those who are ready to give iraq to iran (kurds and shiites) of course not the whole kurds and shiites.. we should fight to restore our rights and country..
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And amidst all of that, we will still always have with us the majority of people (both the dumbed-down lower and the dumbed-down upper class people) dislike and fear and ignor and even hate the messenger who brings these obvious truths to their ears.
The messenger is the enemy of the people while the real enemy that instigates war for profit on both sides of the fight, who drops DU bombs, who prints the money right out of our pockets, these are the guys that remain largely ignored. Great statement for human "intelligence" if I ever heard one. What else do we need to know about the reasons for getting in this situation in the first place? Here we are at peak oil and we need peak oil to survive in our existing system and yet we are still debating whether it is possible for a finite resource to run out. Whew! Very smart!
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ReplyDeleteI even had a couple of female friends who felt that Iraqi women had been hugely uplifted by the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
Thanks for a resource to point them to.
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Just a little background on how women and their bodies are the property of revolutionaries and politicians in all countries and all religions.
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And even more interesting is how Brutus, till that moment considered an idiot (brutus=idiot in latin), became eloquent, became "A MAN" as soon as he became angry about her rape and addressed and the mobs to the palace.
I know that Iraqi women were better off before Bushco "liberated" them, but that picture of the women in the burkas - that is really Iraqi students? What city? Even I am shocked. These pictures need to get all over the blogosphere.
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Yes. This is intellectually dishonest, as 40 years is a lot of time.
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anon and little, it would be simular to the photos an Iraqi tear have given you.
ReplyDeleteThe fact is that Iraqi women have lost a lot because of the US invation aganinst Iraq, it is worse now much worse.
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I put the photos back to 1964 as an example to show you the social conditions in Iraq before the occupation. I did not put Iraqi women photos in 1968-2003 to not allow some ill-hearted to label me as Saddamist!!
Indeed women in Iraq were different from those in the other Arab countries since the very beginning of the last century; for example "Layal" was a women journal owned and edited by an Iraqi woman in 1920.
I finished the university in the eighties; being an MA student, we were 7 female students and 3 male students.. Even being an Islamic country, in 1979, the Personal Law was amended to be totally pro women; men were not allowed to have two wives; women had right of divorce with keeping the kids and so on. Yet some body till now wants to justify the invasion and occupation because a man called Saddam Hussein was ruling Iraq. I think not the whole Americans like Bush yet the world has no right to invade USA helping the Americans to get rid of a president who is violating the human rights in the name of fighting terrorism through the Patriot Act and works such bugging all their mails and phone calls.
According to Bush admission; US invaded Iraq using fake and false documents and there were no WMD and link with Al-Qaeda; so the only pretext could he uses is the human rights being confiscated by Saddam!! Now even Ayad Allawi and others who came on the board of the American tanks are saying that Iraqis life under Saddam was better..
Back to Dee, the Persian!!
Before the Aryans, you and the others know very well that the first who ruled the whole world including Persia were the Iraqi Assyrians who were originally immigrated from Arab peninsula; the Iraqi archeologist named them (Al-Jazryyin- according to Arab Jazzira (island) so they were Samists . Yet Persians were and still behaving in this arrogance way. Yes Arabs brought the Islam to Persia but the Islam we know not the Khomaini style Islam. Persians who are 28% from the whole Iranians; yet Iran called Persia and the Persian language and culture are dominating. Persians will never forget that Zara told one of the Persians emperors, "stop being arrogance look to the west, from the Arab land a man will emerge who will convert your throne to thorn". Persians will never be real Moslems; they could not grasp the idea that Persians the builders of a great civilization have no a Persian prophet; so they are doing their best to have that prophet. Imam Hussein will be; in Iran they pray in Hussayniya (Shiite meeting places), they have their own Quran in which they put false Suras like" if the whole people like Ali I were not creating the hell"!! Dee could not deny that the Iranian style Shiite sect was brought to Islam world by Persians just to destroy the Arab world that demolished their kingdom once. Dee would understand how Khomaini was made after reading the British novel "The Mahdy"..
According to our Prophet Mohammed (MPUH) being extreme Moslem is not allowed; yet Zionism (the extreme Jew) and Zionist Christians (the fundamental Christians) push some Moslems to be fundamentals. We are against fundamental Islam in the same time we are against the fundamental Christians and Jews.
It is the American ongoing occupation and unjust that is destroying Iraq through providing chances to the others to posse their noses in our lives; to take their historical revenge.
However thanks to those who are understanding the situation In Iraq trying to help us; and thanks to your comments; in Arabic we say, "having different points of views will not ruin the humanitarian relations"; of course occupation is not a different point of view.. Am I clear now? I hope.
PS: Nadia,
Many thanks for your kind participation.. Stay a real Iraqi wherever you are.
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Those Photos in After , Must be in Basra . that s what women in Basra Look like now . in fact you hardly see them on the streets (compared to before when they dared wear western clothes ) even Christian women have to cover up if they want to stay in Iraq . Saddam was bad but he did not force women to cover up it was up to them. he cared for the christians too.
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To "the woman I was" Please do share some photos during the time of Hussein. Not to support him but because I want to experience the people and women of the time and since I am not able to your pics would help immensely. I appreciate all the comments and discussion. I am learning much. Thank you.
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